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13.7.06

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Guys I made it to Beirut only yesterday morning!

My first impression was how elegant and beautiful Rafik Al Harir's airpot is!It didn't take me more than one day to blow it up and with it my family's arrival this morning.

Now my mother is stuck in Damascus . It is not safe for me to take a taxi from here to join her, and she wouldn't be granted an entry visa in the Lebanese borders if she decided to join me in the seige! Visas to Iraqis are only issued if you arrive by air. Don't ask me why.

"Alone in Beirut"

Guys I know no one in here, isn't that funny!!
Yesterday I strolled in Al Hamra street following Zappy's advice. I did my homework and went to Antoine bookshop, ate Manakeesh and took a 2hour walk along the sea. I sat on a rock watching fishermen and swimmers, then on a bench smoking and watching a live fashion show for free.
Later in the evening I dressed up and went down town Beirut. I had a tasty dinner in Al Balad restaurant and an excellent coffe in Virgin coffe shop all by myself till 1:00am.
I took a taxi and came back to the hotel normally.
For some who don't know, a woman cannot do this in any Arab country. But this is Beirut! isn't it? Here you see a woman covered from top to toe walking aside another with nearly no clothes on.
Today, after my brother's wake up call to give me the bad news (I didn't hear any bombing), I decided to kill time before my worries kill me. I followed a friend advice and went to an area called "Musharafiya" to check an antique shop. Guess what? I discovered after arriving there, that this is part of the south district where Hizbola followers live.They were all closing early and clearing their shop windows. The traffic was unbelievable and all heading to inner Beirut or fleeing to their homes.
I walked for a long time till I could find a car to take me back. The driver thank God was an optimist or maybe a good tourism enthusiast, he kept on telling me how things will clear in a maximum of two days, and that this is only a game.

My feeling is that bombing the airport was meant to kill any hope to revive Lebanon's economy.
Israel is jealous, it might sound silly but they are dying to get people to their country and establish any kind of tourism. This will never happen.

I am in the hotel lobby watching Hizbola channeland using their net although the owners are Christians and the manager is Durzi. Patriotic songs and all the lot. A feeling of Deja vous inside me and an old song of Sabah called "I lost my heart in Beirut" is playing in my ear and has been all day.

I am sure I won't loose my heart in Beirut but I might loose my Li........
It's bloody 13th today. I am just joking, everything will be fine.

67 Comments:

  • That's not funny!! Please get out of there while you can...before it escalates and Syria gets involved. Israel is not playing around and this will not end in a day or two. Just get out... please.

    We are all praying for you.

    By Blogger The Heretical Jew, at 5:27 pm  

  • Hala -

    I'm sorry about your vacation plans.

    Use common sense and take all the precautions necessary to make back home safely.

    M

    By Blogger Antar, at 6:31 pm  

  • i was waiting to hear from you on this, even though i don't know you! my cousin also was just about to fly in for his wedding and i just cannot believe it. now of all times, who would have thought? i'm glad you and your family are ok.

    let's just pray this ends quickly isn't a repeat of decades past.

    -nadia in canada

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:01 pm  

  • Hala,
    Please stay safe. Please follow whatever instructions for safety that they give you...This is not a time for adventure and discovery...May Allah protect you always.
    Z

    By Blogger ZZ, at 2:53 am  

  • I admire your equanimity:)...you're sense of adventure and willingness to roll with the punches. Sorry you're mom isn't with you to hug you and recharge you're batteries. Don't do anything to worry your mother unnecessarily.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:18 am  

  • Please take good care of yourself and follow any safety instructions. I think it's a good idea to leave as soon as possible. Hopefully this is just a passing conflict but it might as well turn into something much more unpleasant.

    //Tim

    By Anonymous Tim, at 6:34 am  

  • Greetings from Greater London!

    lol, what fate.. people flee the war and bloodshed in iraq and go to lebanon in hope of some fresh air.. only to find out that the tape is on lopp if you know what i mean.. like they're seeing the exact same thing.. except there's not much 'he did it' and 'they said it' and all that rubbish.. when the newspresenter on BBC World sort of foresaw air strikes, the first thing i could think of was poor hala.. there's this iraqi idiom that goes.. fugur foog il jemel, 3atha il chelib.. meaning that the unlucky one will remain unlucky even if he mounted a camel where he'll be bitten by a dog.. you know..

    allah yistur 3alech hala.. you and your family.. oo ma7roosa b3ein allah inshallah..

    By Blogger Little Penguin, at 11:05 am  

  • Hala

    Stay safe, please take care.
    It might get worse. I read statement by Nasrallah and I am afraid for you.
    So get out of Lebanon asap.

    By Anonymous ella, at 12:43 am  

  • Hala!
    I am astonished at the misfortune of having arrived the day before a war broke out.
    I have no idea what advice to give you, so I will only say good luck, and I hope you return to safety soon.

    By Blogger Original_Jeff, at 4:40 pm  

  • Thank you all for your comments.
    I am still in Beirut.
    It is getting very serious. They have just bombed the light house maybe 600 meters from the hotel.
    All I am waiting for is a trusted driver to take me through Houms in Syria then to Amman.
    What is strange in here is that everyone is so frightened, all shops are closed and also restaurants and no one in the streets. I think once people are out of war they become so scared to go through it again.
    Now I am the only one in the lobby with the porter all went down to the shelter.
    ella,
    What worries me is not Nasrallah's speach but the bloody Isrealis reaction. Even if I don't agree to Hizbollah's ways, they have the right and Israel was and will always be the agressor and the only illegal entity in this area.

    By Blogger hala_s, at 4:54 pm  

  • "...Even if I don't agree to Hizbollah's ways, they have the right and Israel was and will always be the agressor and the only illegal entity in this area. "

    C'mon Hala... You gotta ditch this line of thinking... This is the old way of thinking. The new way of thinking is "No to terrorism! Down with tyranny! The middle east must consist of peaceful democracies living side by side! Freedom of religion! Full equal rights for men and women! Free speech! Free and fair elections!"

    The Israelis are doing their best to get rid of one tyrannical terrorist group--Hezbollah. If the Lebanese were smart, they'd be killing/capturing Hezbollah-types as quickly as possible to make the future of the middle east possible.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:59 pm  

  • Hala

    We disagree on illegality/agression of Israel, but we can, perhaps, discuss that topic sometime later when you will be in Jordan or back in London.

    The most important thing right now is for you to be safe.

    I pray for your safe arrival in Amman.

    By Anonymous ella, at 6:04 pm  

  • anonymous, exactly what kind of tyranny do you think hezbollah is spreading? as far as i knew in all their history they have never targeted civillians. they also don't seem to have an agenda of forcing sharia on the rest of the population as anyone who's been to lebanon can affirm.

    -nadia

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:43 am  

  • and it seems that since syria only got up and left years after the israeli occupation ended, that lebanese seem to be pretty ok at taking care of themselves.

    By Anonymous nadia, at 3:37 am  

  • Hitting the airport is a great idea in a strategic sense. It reduces resupply and reinforcement options.

    'As far as jealousy over tourism, well, that's another story and one that I find sort of out there.

    By Blogger gatorbait, at 3:51 pm  

  • Dear Hala,

    My heart is broken, I'm so Sorry, If I had known that you were looking for refuge, why is it that we have to suffer so Much, I don't think its Safe for you to go to Damascus the Road "Dhar al Bayder" is totally dangerous scout plans are keeping a close eye on it take care, if you have a British nationallity take refuge at the British Embassy, I'm sorry Dear Mate that your vacation has turned into this.

    take extreme care and avoid south!!

    By Blogger Zappy!, at 6:58 pm  

  • Hi again

    I am now in the mountains in Beit Meri. Leaving this afternoon hopefully to Damascus. We are taking another route Zappy not Daher Al bayder. I don't want to leave but I am worried about the total closure of the borders later on.
    I feel so frustrated that none is blaming Israel. And to my friend who is defending bombing the airport, let me explain that Hizbollah doesnt get their immunition through
    Beirut airport.
    This poor country Lebanon cannot even defend itself the Israeli aircrafts flying freely day and night and bombing wherever they want.
    I hate Israel and wish that a disastor of some kind will happen and swallow the whole country. They are criminals and they have no place in here and whoever is silent and take their side is a hypocrate and another criminal in this unfair and double standarded world.

    By Blogger hala_s, at 8:06 am  

  • Hala,
    Please stay safe. Please get out of there immediately! I don’t know WHAT you’re STILL doing there. Please get out of there ASAP! I’m praying for you.
    As for the comments about Hezbollah, let me correct those who are seriously misinformed.
    Hezbollah has NEVER:
    1. Targeted civilians. (Now it is in retaliation for Israel’s brutal shelling of civilian areas. I personally saw footage on the destruction of a civilian apartment complex in Tyre where people were trapped and dying. The same happened in Haifa sadly, but Israel started targeting civilians first!)
    2. Conducted ANY operations outside its LEBANESE territory, including but not restricted to the Sheba Farms.
    Any misinformation via CNN about Hezbollah operations against US troops in Lebanon in 1982 (Nasrallah was not even 18 then...) or Jewish institutions in Argentina is FALSE.
    The Israelis have been building up for this invasion for a long time. The abduction of soldiers is just a pretext. The MOSSAD managed to get Syrian presence out of Lebanon via a series of assassinations that targeted elite Lebanese figures. It was not to the strategic interests of Syria to do that (Per Pat Buchanan himself). The next objective was to get ANY form of resistance in Lebanon crushed. The aim now is NOT to free soldiers or get a 'few inches' back...It's to ELIMINATE any form of resistance so that Israel can 'play at large'...God Willing. INSHALLAH, that will NEVER happen!
    It's sad that civilians on both sides pay the price...but as Albright would say -as she did about the millions of Iraqi children that perished under the US imposed sanctions on Iraq, "that's collateral damage!"...
    I know a family living in the heart of Beirut. The school behind them is flooded with refugees. They are running out of medical supplies and perishable foods (staple foods too)...Like the world cares...
    ZZ

    By Blogger ZZ, at 6:30 pm  

  • " I hate Israel and wish that a disastor of some kind will happen and swallow the whole country. They are criminals and they have no place in here"

    I'm not sure either hezbullah or the isrealis will ever learn, so hating either side really doesn't accomplish much. Hopefully the UN force can break up this war sooner than later.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:14 pm  

  • Hala,
    "I hate Israel and wish that a disastor of some kind will happen and swallow the whole country."

    You are such a sweetheart!

    Here is my plan for Arab-Israeli peace: The USA should *give* Israel a portion of one of the states of the USA. All Israelis would relocate from present-day Israel to the new location. I have absolutely NO FEAR WHATSOEVER that Israelis would attack us. Moreover, I think it would be a tremendous boost to our economy, our culture, our education systems, our arts, etc.

    Now, the more interesting thing would be this: What would happen to the "old" land that Israel occupied? What is your guess? Do you think the Palestinians would have the same GDP as the Israelis? Do you think the Palestinians would be able to operate Intel's Microprocessor Fabrication Facility Number 18--which produces Pentium chips for your computer? Do you think there would be peace? Or do you think Fatah and Hamas would be fighting each other, and perhaps also Hezbollah?

    By Blogger Original_Jeff, at 12:48 am  

  • DID you Make it safe?

    By Blogger Zappy!, at 11:21 am  

  • Dear Original Jeff,
    I pray and wish that your words would come true...really. We will fight it out...even if we kill each other...just please leave us alone.

    Hala,
    I share Zappy's concern. You're not responding to any of us! Did you make it safe? Please reassure us.
    ZZ

    By Blogger ZZ, at 3:38 pm  

  • Hi everyone and thank you all for your concern.
    I arrived earlier today to Amman safe and sound. My mother is resting in the hotel and I am still boiling with anger. Believe me if I had no job and other commetments I would've loved to stay and share this unbelievable assault on such a beautiful and promising country.
    Thank you all again

    By Blogger hala_s, at 5:22 pm  

  • Hi Hala,

    I'm glad you're OK. أحنا العراقيين نفكرها وين منروح.

    I hope you get to enjoy Amman. It's a nice city too :-)

    By Blogger Fayrouz, at 6:21 pm  

  • Hi Hala,

    I am so glad that you have arrived safely and that all your family are there with you safe and sound.
    Hopefully you will be able to enjoy the rest of your holiday.
    :)
    Dreamer

    By Blogger Dreamer, at 8:11 pm  

  • Alef Hamdillah 3ala Al Salama!!!

    By Blogger ZZ, at 8:28 pm  

  • I so much agree with Fayrouz! It could not have been better said...I know a family that escaped the bombs in Baghdad to take their children to a safer place, and now they're under Israeli shelling in Lebanon...

    By Blogger ZZ, at 8:32 pm  

  • Hala,

    I am very glad to hear that you are ok. My sympathies to you and all in Lebanon over the fruitless destruction of such a beautifull country. Lebanon rose from the ashes before and i am sure it will do the same again.

    Be strong,

    Salam

    By Blogger The Heretical Jew, at 11:08 pm  

  • Nadia

    Hizbollah has never attacked citizens? What world are you watching? How many Israeli embasies have they bombed? Is it a lie that they fire rockets at northern Israeli cities? The eight CIVILIANS that died in the train depot in Haifa did not die from a Hizbollah rocket?

    I do grant you that Israel has killed Lebanese civilians, and they are wtong for that. However, do not try to pass these lies that Hizbollah are some righteous freedom fighters that do not commit terrorism. we all were not born yesterday.

    Hala

    I understand your anger toward Israel. As I have said on my blog, they should have handled this situation much differently. They should have respected the soveirn government of Lebanon and worked out a way that they could illiminate the threat of Hizbollah without reducing Lebanon to a pile of rubble. You are right to be angry.

    By Blogger The Heretical Jew, at 11:19 pm  

  • Hala

    I am really glad that you made it safe to Amman.

    zz

    Hizbullah never killed civilians?
    Wow, who then killed 2 arab israeli and targeted arab village in israel just now?
    Not to mention killing of israelis in argentina and other israelis elsewhere couple of years ago.

    By Anonymous Ella, at 1:10 am  

  • حمدالله على السلامة ضل بالي عليج صارلي يومين أكول خطية هاي البنية شلون راح تتبهذل هي وأمها، على العموم الله يساعدكم وبالتوفيق ان شاء الله
    There is a nice resturant in Dawar Abdoon called the "Roof" you have to reserve first but you will feel relaxed

    By Blogger Zappy!, at 7:02 am  

  • Hizbolla has NEVER carried out an attack outside Lebanese borders. Not in Argentina not anywhere outside its borders.
    As for targeting civilians, I'm not denying that they are doing that now, but ONLY after Israel struck ALL aspects of the civilian infrastructure because it could not discern anything of military nature in Beirut pertinent to Hizbollah. Israel's behaviour is inexcusable. And no matter how much they pound Lebanon, and even if Hizbollah goes, as long as there is occupation, other 'Hizbollahs' will rise out of the ashes and strike back! It's been like this since 48 and it will continue...perhaps until Judgement day as far as we know...No sovereign people will accept an alien occupation in their midst. History will tell you that!

    By Blogger ZZ, at 10:05 pm  

  • ZZ

    I agree with you that what Israel is doing has no excuse. They are going well past self-defense.

    However, it is well documented that Hizbollah has commited acts of terrorism far outside of the borders of Lebanon many times in the past. Where do you get your mis-information? Hizbollah T.V.? You seem to be an intelligent person... do some research... don't be blinded by such a one sided view of the world. Truth be told...Israel is wrong and Hizbollah is wrong .. the only inocent party in this conflict are the civilians on BOTH sides that are needlessly being killed.

    By Blogger The Heretical Jew, at 5:37 am  

  • "Hizbollah has never attacked citizens? What world are you watching?"
    i'm sorry this was in reference to another post that was about freeing lebanese from the tyranny of hezbollah that they were living under.
    and i believe i said civillians not citizens.

    this was current as of a week ago. we certainly are in a huge mess now. i don't really know what to say except that the whole situation is unbearable.

    By Anonymous nadia, at 8:39 am  

  • according to my lazy internet research hezbollah still denies responsibility for the various embassy attacks, which generally doesn't seem like something they would do if they were involved. they don't seem to be very shy.

    you can post links that say otherwise if you like but as of right now i've done enough arguing for a lifetime, so i hope we can give it a rest and agree that they are being assholes right now and that this whole situation is terrible.

    By Anonymous nadia, at 8:51 am  

  • and i've never seen hezbollah tv, i get my news from the bbc thanks.

    By Anonymous nadia, at 9:51 am  

  • Fayrouz thank you for your comment and yes you are right about us Iraqis where ever we go.....
    Zappy I am not listening to your recommendation again! Once was enough, its not your fault but I am far from lucky and this has always been the case.I don't want to cause this peaceful city any harm.

    Orginal Jeff,
    I suggest that Israel relocates itself in one of the USA states but after killing all its citizens and evict them by force and settle in their houses exactly as it happened in 1948 how about that?

    You are accusing us in the Middle East as being backwards while Israel is flourishing and how, but you have to know that Israel is backed by all and allowed to have high tech and allowed to progress because of your country's support. Israel is like a thorn in our throat.
    And let's say we are terrible people what brought you in here? dont tell me terrorism please this is an old joke and it is not funny anymore.
    We have our own faults and we have to rectify them. Your help has proved to be a complete disaster.
    And to all who say Hizbollah is a terrorist group can you tell me what do you consider Israelis?

    By Blogger hala_s, at 11:11 am  

  • Hala,
    I am glad you are safe in Amman now.
    I heard a historian on CNN say that "Wars end when one or both side give up." Well, I don't see the Israelis or the Hezbollans giving up any time soon, so I guess this war will go on.
    I will echo a point someone made on Sandmonkey's blog. In the 1970's, Israel and Egypt signed a peace treaty. Have you seen Israelis attacking Egypt lately? Also, Israel and Jordan signed a peace treaty more recently. Have you seen Israel attack Jordan?
    The notion that Israel is an unpredictable aggressor that repeatedly starts conflicts is just not born out by recent history.
    If Lebanon were truly able to prevent attacks on Israel (as Jordan and Egypt have), then I suspect this problem would not have occurred.
    Does the Hezbollah ideology allow for the existence of Israel? If not, then you have recipe for continual conflict. Jordan and Egypt were able to allow for the existence of Israel and things have been peaceful since then.

    By Blogger Original_Jeff, at 12:33 pm  

  • the news reports i read all said hezbollah demanded a trade off for palestinian and lebanese prisoners and pulling out of gaza.

    i don't really recall israel's existence ceasing being put on the table.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:07 pm  

  • Israel has to date detained more than 10,000 Lebanese citizens with no charges, over a span of 10 years or so.
    All Hezbollah is doing is initiating a prisoner swap. All they are asking is that it is NOT done strictly on Israeli terms like the 'peace treaties' with Egypt and Jordan were signed...

    By Blogger ZZ, at 2:58 pm  

  • zz

    Peace with Egypt and Jordan was not on Israeli terms. Egypt every year is getting quite a lot of money from USA because of that treaty. (the fact that they do not use it properly is neither Israeli nor USA fault). Jordanian economy is also doing quite well, thank you. Better than Syria.

    You are writing that "all Hizbullah is doing is initiating prisoner swap"

    Well, they did initiated prisoner swap and the people they say they are representing are right now dying because of their action. What kind of representation is that?

    By Anonymous ella, at 4:10 am  

  • I Only thought that you might feel lonely, sorry.

    By Blogger Zappy!, at 6:54 am  

  • well the last time a prisoner swap was initiated prisoners were swapped weren't they? this really could have gone a number of ways.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:23 am  

  • hala, I pray for your safety habeebti.

    By Blogger Gilgamish, at 3:44 pm  

  • Nadia/ZZ,

    Hezbollah took credit for car bombing the US embassy twice, once in 1982 and once in 1983.

    Hezbollah took most of the hostages in Beirut in the 1980s. Many of whom were tortured to death.

    Hezbollah Hijacked at LEAST one international flight, and murdered one of the passengers. The man (a Hezbollah member) who commtted the murder, was held in a german prison until he was realeased last year.

    Hezbollah members were convicted in Germany of murdering Iranian dissidents.

    Do I really need to list more?

    The two of you are completely wrong.

    Hezbollah has attacked civilians both inside and outside of Lebanon hundreds of times. What is the purpose of glorifying murderers? Why do you deny the crimes of a group that takes great pride in it's criminal activities?

    If you guys want to espouse your hate for Israel, that's fine with me. But don't you dare try to deny Hezbollah's terrorist history. Hezbollah is the scum of the earth.

    Hezbollah has also killed civilians in Iraq. In case you somehow don't know this. Which wouldn't surprise me, si9nce you don't seem to know anything at all about Hezbollah.

    By Blogger programmer craig, at 5:16 pm  

  • Glad you got out, btw, Hala :)

    That's all I really wanted to say before I got sidetracked!

    By Blogger programmer craig, at 5:18 pm  

  • maybe i wasn't clear.

    i found evidence that such events happened but only speculation and accusations as to hezbollah's responsibility. that's all i have been provided with here too.
    if you have substantial info that proves otherwise please provide it instead of slinging shit, i'm just repeating what my looking into it shows, same as it did when i researched it years ago that they were a group that acted locally.

    the accusations of glorifying murders is totally ridiculous as well as offensive, i'm not going to touch that one.

    By Anonymous nadia, at 7:10 pm  

  • for the record, i'm not crazy about hezbollah, half my family are lebanese christians. i also am not crazy about the atrocities carried out by christian militias in addition to those carried out by israeli forces, in addition to those carried out by islamist nutters. and i really don't care for any current nasrallah supporters. but i also don't think their role on the country up until a couple of weeks ago was the most devastating thing for lebanon if you know anything about their history or politics.

    the fact is that before the israeli occupation there was no hezbollah, and if they hadn't formed it's possible the occupation would never have ended. for that reason, as well as fragility of lebanese politics, that disarmament would be an extremely delicate matter that would take time, and i hoped that as syria pulled out and the country was entering a more stable position than it had in decades that it would be approaching and the remnants of political division would die. of course now the clock has been set back.

    i am just sick of everyone saying that lebanon was guilty of not disarming hezbollah as if it is that easy, or even better that it's in the hands of islamists by people that know nothing about the place and put the same backwards generalizations on every arab country. or telling them what their priorities should be when all the old actors are still interfering in the country.

    as much as i deplore what they did that does not give israel carte blanche. this is a tragedy, not only because of the devastation but because it so easily could have been avoided.

    i don't know why i bothered to type this all out as you're all going to interpret this to mean whatever you would like anyways.

    peace and salaam.

    By Anonymous nadia, at 7:47 pm  

  • Nadia,

    i found evidence that such events happened but only speculation and accusations as to hezbollah's responsibility. that's all i have been provided with here too.

    Then you haven't been looking. Perhaps you don't want to see the truth? How can you deny Hezbollah is responsible for things that Hezbollah itself takes credit for doing?

    And how can you ignore all the crimnal convictions of Hezbollah members in courts all around the world?

    Mind boggling.

    I don't exist to prove that obeservable truth is, in fact, the truth. There's nothing I can do about your world of denial. You have to cure yourself of that, yourself. As we all do.

    By Blogger programmer craig, at 4:21 am  

  • you know what, if you could let us know when you're arriving in London, i'll speak to Ken Livingstone and arrange for a reception to be held in your honour.. :)..

    Inshallah you arrive safely..

    Kind Regards,

    By Blogger Little Penguin, at 5:30 am  

  • programmer craig,
    I did, just like Nadia, search the internet for information about Hezbollah attacks abroad, but could not find much. I have of course not looked on every page related to Hezbollah since there are so many, so maybe you have information that I miss. You are most welcome to provide links.

    This is what I found:

    Hezbollah is accused of hijacking flight TWA 847 from Athens to Rome, but Hezbollah deny doing so.

    Hezbollah is accused of bombing two buildings in Argentina, both Israelian. Hezbollah denies.

    I find a number of very uncertain speculations about killing tourists in Egypt, taking part in 9/11 etc etc, but nothing substantial.

    I don't like Hezbollah either, I can agree with you there.
    I don't like anyone who kills others in cold blood, especially if it happens to be civilians.
    I don't support Israel, Hezbollah, al-Qaeda or USA.

    By Anonymous Tim, at 7:41 am  

  • considering that he also somehow found out that i "glorify murders" in my posts his skills of perception must be on a much higher plane than mine. i really don't know how to compete.

    By Anonymous nadia, at 11:57 am  

  • the fbi seems to have missed it too:

    http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel06/mostwantedterrorists022406.htm

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:41 pm  

  • and the bbc:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/september/20/newsid_2525000/2525197.stm

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:41 pm  

  • You would have to establish evidence that Hizbollah had ANY attacks outside its territory.
    In 1982-83, Nasrallah was NOT even affliated with Hizbollah (it's all about Nasrallah really) -he was not even in his twenties yet!
    Western media will try again and again to establish that Hizbollah is a terrorist group. According to the Geneva Convention if intruders violate your land, you have the right to capture and kill and the Sheba Farms is Lebanese territory whether Israel 'likes' that or not..Just because they gobble up more land with each of their advances on all fronts, doesn't make it theirs!
    Now that I mention, 'territory', it's funny too that Israel insist that Hamas recognize it as a 'state', when it has NEVER renounced the expansionist Zionist 'dream' of 'from the Nile to the Euphrates'! God willing, that will NEVER happen...

    By Blogger ZZ, at 3:21 pm  

  • i'm not holding my breath on recieving an apology for the slander of my murderous character, but regardless i'm sorry to hala that her thoughts had to be vandalized with these arguments. i opened a can of worms, i'll try not to do it again.

    By Anonymous nadia, at 8:28 pm  

  • Nadia and ZZ

    http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/fugitives.htm
    From the 10 most wanted terrorists:
    ANAS AL-LIBY
    CONSPIRACY TO KILL UNITED STATES NATIONALS, TO MURDER, TO DESTROY BUILDINGS AND PROPERTY OF THE UNITED STATES, AND TO DESTROY THE NATIONAL DEFENSE UTILITIES OF THE UNITED STATES

    HASAN IZZ-AL-DIN
    CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT AIRCRAFT PIRACY, TO COMMIT HOSTAGE TAKING, TO COMMIT AIR PIRACY RESULTING IN MURDER, TO INTERFERE WITH A FLIGHT CREW, TO PLACE A DESTRUCTIVE DEVICE ABOARD AN AIRCRAFT, TO HAVE EXPLOSIVE DEVICES ABOUT THE PERSON ON AN AIRCRAFT, AND TO ASSAULT PASSENGERS AND CREW; AIR PIRACY RESULTING IN MURDER; AIR PIRACY; HOSTAGE TAKING; INTERFERENCE WITH FLIGHT CREW; AND PLACING EXPLOSIVES ABOARD AIRCRAFT; PLACING DESTRUCTIVE DEVICES ABOARD AIRCRAFT; ASSAULT ABOARD AIRCRAFT WITH INTENT TO HIJACK WITH A DANGEROUS WEAPON AND RESULTING IN SERIOUS BODILY INJURY; AIDING AND ABETTING zz-Al-Din is an alleged member of the terrorist organization, Lebanese Hizballah. He is thought to be in Lebanon.
    MAD FAYEZ MUGNIYAH
    CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT AIRCRAFT PIRACY, TO COMMIT HOSTAGE TAKING, TO COMMIT AIR PIRACY RESULTING IN MURDER, TO INTERFERE WITH A FLIGHT CREW, TO PLACE A DESTRUCTIVE DEVICE ABOARD AN AIRCRAFT, TO HAVE EXPLOSIVE DEVICES ABOUT THE PERSON ON AN AIRCRAFT, AND TO ASSAULT PASSENGERS AND CREW; AIR PIRACY RESULTING IN MURDER; AIR PIRACY; HOSTAGE TAKING; INTERFERENCE WITH FLIGHT CREW; AND PLACING EXPLOSIVES ABOARD AIRCRAFT; PLACING DESTRUCTIVE DEVICES ABOARD AIRCRAFT; ASSAULT ABOARD AIRCRAFT WITH INTENT TO HIJACK WITH A DANGEROUS WEAPON AND RESULTING IN SERIOUS BODILY INJURY; AIDING AND ABETTINGMugniyah is the alleged head of the security apparatus for the terrorist organization, Lebanese Hizballah. He is thought to be in Lebanon.
    MOHAMMED ALI HAMADEI
    CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT AIRCRAFT PIRACY, TO COMMIT HOSTAGE TAKING, TO COMMIT AIR PIRACY RESULTING IN MURDER, TO INTERFERE WITH A FLIGHT CREW, TO PLACE A DESTRUCTIVE DEVICE ABOARD AN AIRCRAFT, TO HAVE EXPLOSIVE DEVICES ABOUT THE PERSON ON AN AIRCRAFT, AND TO ASSAULT PASSENGERS AND CREW; AIR PIRACY RESULTING IN MURDER; AIR PIRACY; HOSTAGE TAKING; INTERFERENCE WITH FLIGHT CREW; AND PLACING EXPLOSIVES ABOARD AIRCRAFT; PLACING DESTRUCTIVE DEVICES ABOARD AIRCRAFT; ASSAULT ABOARD AIRCRAFT WITH INTENT TO HIJACK WITH A DANGEROUS WEAPON AND RESULTING IN SERIOUS BODILY INJURY; AIDING AND ABETTINGMohammed Ali Hamadei was indicted for his role and participation in the June 14, 1985, hijacking of a commercial airliner which resulted in the assault on various passengers and crew members, and the murder of one United States citizen.Hamadei is an alleged member of the terrorist organization, Lebanese Hizballah. He is thought to be in Lebanon.

    All born in Lebanon.
    I rest my case.

    By Anonymous ella, at 6:40 pm  

  • thanks for that.

    they are shia muslims from lebanon, that is clear, but there were various islamist groups during the civil war. that also doesn't contradict that they were alleged and hezbollah was denying involvement. i assumed that was why they chose not to name the group the hijacker belonged to in the press release when they did for other suspects, because it wasn't known.

    however craig said they took credit for embassy bombings and for "most" of the hostage takings, which as far as i (and the bbc) can tell was islamic jihad. maybe there were lower profile ones i am missing, but i have not found them.

    By Anonymous nadia, at 12:13 am  

  • Nadia

    Sorry for being ironic but if you believe everything Hizbullah is saying I will sell you a bridge in Brooklyn, cheeply.
    Islamic Jihad you are talking about was not a Palestinian Islamic Jihad. Two different organizations. From what I remember this islamic jihad was part of Hizbullah, same people, different names.

    By Anonymous ella, at 4:03 am  

  • I thought that this was a blog? its turning into a discussion board, what part of "Leave your comments" seems to be not clear?

    By Blogger Zappy!, at 11:49 am  

  • So the Arabs are the Bad guys and the Israelites are the innocent weak bystanders, just get it out of your system.

    By Blogger Zappy!, at 11:52 am  

  • ella thanks i'm trying to keep this civil.

    islamic jihad was a group of shia lebanese muslims, that much is obvious. and they took credit for the embassy bombings and the hostage takings i could find info on, just saying.

    i just find it very weird that hezbollah would not take credit for what they've done. usually islamists take credit for *more* than what they've done, not less.

    By Anonymous nadia, at 2:41 pm  

  • either way i agree with zappy, it was a dumb move on my part and this isn't an appropriate forum for it and i'll avoid it in the future. but for right now, it's already started.

    there should be a toll paid for getting into stupid arguments on the internet, but as of right now my red cross donation will have to do.

    By Anonymous nadia, at 4:04 pm  

  • zappy

    I never said "arabs" are bad guys. Hizbullah and most terrorists are arabs but not all (or even most) arabs are hizbullahis or terrorists.
    I also never said that israelis are innocent bystanders.

    Nadia

    It is complicated with Hizbullah because there is also Iran in the mix. Anyway, the blog is about beautiful Iraq not about Hizbullah so I applologize for OT.

    By Anonymous ella, at 5:29 am  

  • pls read "I never said all arabs" i/o "I never said arabs"
    Sorry

    By Anonymous ella, at 5:31 am  

  • I wonder where Hala is?

    By Blogger Zappy!, at 6:18 am  

  • Hi Nice Blog. i planed to go australia next week but it seem to drop because of this Egypt visa i really feel bad with this Extension of my visa

    By Blogger peter, at 9:37 am  

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